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and blue the Intel Z GPU it supports ray

tracing sort of sort of one of them does

well to it I mean yeah I guess it

definitely does but only one of them

yeah also we're not sure how we feel

about this one but I guess we'll talk

about it later Epic Games by SIA

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do be soft killing game keys yes yeah so

I guess there's a the reasoning for this

is that I mean what's the problem with

game keys so click on my loop screen

thing Luke screen boom you got oh that's

how we that's how you do the show okay

so gubisov is trying to prevent illegal

resales of its games with a new method

of selling digital PC game keys called

silent key activation or ska it's not to

be confused with the music music yeah

which is not a legal game for news sales

yeah I haven't personally heard of this

method but apparently you go to an

external website you pick a game key you

pay them you sign it with you you play

account and you have the game yeah which

which is a little bit funky there's been

external game stores for a long time

where you can get a key and just in the

when you're done checking out you either

get email the key or it just shows up

right there and you just copy paste it

there

this is a new thing and I guess there's

been sort of legal issues with that

where you know some resellers can manage

to get their hands on game keys through

perhaps illicit means yeah and so this

is a way to prevent that and kind of

make it make sure everything is kosher

and you know by the book yeah so instead

of like getting an actual key and

getting that through a website you go to

a site and then you have to sign into

your account and then so it likes does

authentication through the website

instead of just throwing keys all over

the place right because I know I know

when the throwing Keys all over the

place thing sort of started pretty early

on people were buying keys in countries

where the games were more heavily

discounted due to the average income of

that country hmm and then they were

selling them to countries where your

income was much higher right so there

was countries that would like get a

discount cuz like you know what kind of

hard to afford these things in certain

areas so we'll let it be cheaper for you

and then people buy tons of keys there

and resell them it's a little shady yeah

there's been a lot of a lot of shadiness

around that department so this method is

supposed to make it harder for illegal

game keyword redistribute errs to

operate and the problem that I saw with

it than when I was reading about it was

that this now requires you to sign in to

whatever site that you are getting the

key from with your like Ubisoft account

so then they have probably a like

external authentic I don't remember the

exact name for it right now because I'm

blasted but it's probably not on alcohol

on lack of sleep but it's it's probably

a like external sign-on thing it's

probably okay right it's good probably

okay probably cuz I don't know anything

about the development side so all I can

do is say that sounds gonna crazy it's

like how you can use like steam to sign

into the line effectives form which I

don't do right but you could I don't

either - yeah I have my own account

but you would still have your own

account you're just using it for

authentication yeah but I don't want

somebody to be able to buy games on my

Steam account through the line is tech

tips for him which I know you would do

if you had the chance

okay so I think so what you're saying is

my voice keeps cracking I know I don't I

don't know if it's actually an issue but

so but what you're saying I think I'm

gonna try to interpret for a second

interpreter

yeah is that you're worried that you

login and authenticate and then anyone

could go on that website anytime and buy

groups in the future and let me clarify

that that's not necessarily my concern

but that is what I read no that's evil

we're having an issue with that seems

valid if you don't have to login or you

don't have to authenticate every time

right because as has been proven time

and time and time and time again

websites will be vulnerable and things

will be stored in terrible plaintext

very commonly all over the place mmm oh

yes yeah once a month does that a lot

yeah with all of their different

services yeah yeah that's great 10

digital game distributors are doing it

right now including fanatical and

GamersGate not gamergate GamersGate what

gamersgate is up is a I've never heard

of it but it's barely the game that's

amazing

while Green Man gaming have their own

equivalent tech in place like that's

what that says I don't know exactly what

that means

okay they probably had a similar set up

already done but yeah I mean I guess I'm

ok with it

I forgot the thing was on my screen is

on your screen so yeah sorry go back to

main I'll go back to main basically have

to be at the beginning of Nerdist have

the power I have the mouse the beginning

of an article we jump to one of those

screens really quick just so people can

see the article oh you guys don't want

to see they don't want to see important

information first you know part of it I

do I'm not I'm a tech lend guy okay I'm

not the way and show guy you I respect

your work flow here ok that's they over

here I don't know if I really call it a

work flow it's just like something we

fell on top of after doing it for a

while there's any flow or plan actually

gotcha but yeah it's interesting

I'm not against it I've always thought

those websites were pretty kind of

sketch yeah I mean I thought some some

games keys from resellers but every time

I do it I'm kind of like feel a little

bad

you know I doing something bad it's like

this is discounted a ridiculous amount

there's got to be a reason for it but

also it's cheap it's also discounted

ridiculous amount so here we go yeah so

if there's a way for me to like be

assured that this is like more legit I

think that's a good thing

yeah because like the big thing is like

making sure that you know the morally

ambiguous sort of situation is kind of

streamlined less morally yes okay well

should we move on I mean I don't know I

don't really have any other thoughts

about that do you guys have thoughts I

can yeah that I'm not used to be half to

being able to look at the chat I can't

do it I can't multitask

I mean tasks yeah I can't at all yeah so

one random thing I'm going to say for

floatplane viewers were we're testing a

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so if it's super bad I'm sorry the test

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over elsewhere next up though we're

gonna do Facebook we're gonna do it

we're gonna do Facebook so Facebook had

their f8 Developer Conference I'm sorry

geez sorry guys so the f8 developer

conference this was kind of one of the

big first times that Mark Zuckerberg was

oh yeah we're going to Luke's screen oh

the future is private so Mark Zuckerberg

wrote a blog post a couple of weeks ago

or a month ago or something like that

talking about like alright guys you know

what Facebook has had a lot of these

privacy gaffes up to now but you know

what now we're committed to privacy you

know more eels we're doing it this time

the future is private and I mean there

hasn't really been

a horrible major privacy gaffe since he

did that it's more like it's more like

some news still kind of trickles out

every once in a while that's like oh

yeah back in 2016 they were doing this

when they said they weren't yeah storing

people's passwords in that plain text

file

well wait didn't that happen like

literally weeks ago with the Instagram I

don't remember because I deal with this

news all the time but yeah I don't

remember whether that was like oh we

were just storing them like last year go

back to the main thing go back to the

main thing so yeah you should have just

done this we thought this would be a fun

idea for me to control it this time but

no so like yeah we're gonna look at

April 22nd news article yeah yeah yeah I

think that might have been about them

storing them previously yeah that makes

sense

let's see stored past tense well yeah I

don't think they would say that when

it's still currently that's true that's

true you can't really trust them saying

that we're not doing it now that's

that's a fair point they don't seem to

specify a long or a time look I'm I'm as

anti-facebook as the next guy okay yeah

I'm not trying to use it all anymore I I

have not used Facebook for years I mean

other than to like but like for specific

functions yeah but you have an H a

messenger somebody yeah I have an

account yeah yeah so like yeah I think

the biggest problem what did you not

have me I know I tried I think I've

deleted my account three times really

keeps cracking every time I delete it I

come back and it's never because like I

want to you and I always be grudgingly

come back and it's usually because like

I need to contact someone yeah and the

Yellow Pages isn't really a thing

anymore but you're not going on there

and like posting a status I don't post I

don't do that post I don't post

I used the I use messenger and I use a

couple of the groups right I see I was I

think I I wasn't a group and then we

kind of like I kind of like stopped

going to the like I didn't really have a

reason to

in the Facebook group anymore and so I'm

out of that group and that was like my

last vestige into it and so now I'm like

I don't even got it set up so that I

have an extension on I believe it's

Chrome and Firefox where if I go to

Facebook it deletes the entire feed and

just puts like a random quote there so

that there is no feed in the middle and

there's just your messenger in your

groups that's it oh yeah it's it's great

well actually that segues really well

into what we're talking about here so

the app TFA developer conference one of

the things that they focused on was they

said we're redesigning Facebook around

groups events and like kind of features

meant to help people meet up in real

life so there's like a meet people

function because they were doing some

dating thing as well yeah there's dating

so it would just like go through the

notes and see if there's something here

yeah so at Facebook's f8 conference Mark

Zuckerberg pledged to transform the

companies approach to privacy while

revealing major changes to Instagram and

whatsapp he acknowledged that the social

media behemoths had much work to do to

rebuild trust with the global community

I know we don't exactly have the

strongest reputation very true so

they're gonna roll out a redesign site

that's simpler faster more immersive and

puts communities at the center like I

said so app users will notice immediate

changes with a new desktop site is

expected in the next few months and

they're gonna make it easier to switch

between public spaces and private groups

where users can engage with groups of

people who share your interests so yeah

I totally track with that because I

don't go on there for like social media

use yeah no I don't go on there to like

see what are my friends posting I go on

there if I like have a specific function

- so do you think this is them accepting

that their audience is older yeah maybe

yeah I actually saw an interesting take

on it which was that because they're

focusing more around groups and events

it might like make the whole kind of we

call it bubble like the okay yeah yeah

yeah he called that

look at my brain I think a couple works

I think there's like another word that

people normally put with it I don't

remember but bubble yeah but like yeah

like a bubble so only interact with the

people that you want to interact with

yeah you know yeah which is fine I guess

but like yeah it's an interesting take

on it so then you were saying the dating

thing yeah there's also a dating thing I

think it's called secret crush and one

of the ways that it works is why is the

way that it works is you select a

certain amount of people that you want

to be your secret crush and then they

get a notification saying that someone

ooh

the added them is the secret crush but

they don't know who yeah and then if

they happen to add you back out of

nowhere then then it tells each other

yeah it's like tinder yeah if you like

there's no like swiping it's just your

friends on Facebook right but that I

mean I feel like it's even more

interesting because it's like someone

you already know and you're like I

wouldn't mind like dating that person so

we all know like one dude who's just

gonna secret crush every single one of

them secret crushes him back like yes I

did it I mean I think I'm married but if

I have an interest income if I was

single this would be like pretty

interesting I'd be like oh I didn't know

Ashley likes me but you wouldn't unless

you flagged everyone on your list well

if I yeah I'd have to flag them Ashley

yeah yeah and ok one more one more

interesting thing from the Facebook

thing The Hiding likes so Instagram

they're doing this in Canada actually

yeah actually Canada is an extremely

common testbed for mobile stuff oh yeah

because we're extremely similar to

Americans right and if it is annoying

then we're like it's okay yeah I

appreciate it

so I actually saw some people posted

about this as well like they they some

people are already experiencing it yeah

it's being rolled out yeah so like if

you are a regular you

you can't see you won't be able to see

the number of likes that someone else's

post has but you will be able to see how

many likes your post has but you have to

click through to see it so like just on

the regular people it'll just be like

liked by this person and others and you

won't see how many people had liked it

so is this like a why like is this a

mental health move yeah I think so okay

I think that and I think it's a good

move to be honest because I think that I

think it might be bad for business

reasons they might be good for like yeah

the mental health of the world reasons

well do as a business do you need the

public to see how many likes you got on

one of you're like well no it's oh I

don't necessarily think so

what oh yeah no cuz you could still tell

the business who's hiring you to wear

their bathing suit that you got X amount

of views yeah

so yeah I have access to like analytics

for you but I think it would be harder

for those businesses that want to

advertise that way to shop around yeah

you'd have to like if you wanted to do

business for with with an influencer

you'd have to like ask them for their

analytics yeah ahead of time and just

like well hope that they're decently

sized well I it doesn't say anything

about followers so they'll be able to

see like how many okay so they just want

to know like how active yeah and I think

it fit for older accounts from a mental

health perspective I feel like it's good

for people to post things to social

media and then not like have to worry

about getting notified if some likes I

don't know I don't know because I feel

like that's gonna have quite a draw to I

didn't see anything about that oh man

okay should we should we prioritize this

one or this one I think we got it we got

to do the title yeah you're right yeah

all right

until zgp you to support ray-tracing

yes so at FMX

is that a I'll go to your thing Luc's

see I'm hurting on top of it yeah so um

Intel announced at you know what FM X's

I've never heard of that before

I don't nobody stands for but I've heard

of it yeah so Intel announced that their

Z GPU architecture will support hardware

acceleration of ray-tracing now this is

for data center yes GPUs primarily they

haven't made any announcements about

like their gaming graphics cards that

they have coming out eventually they

haven't said anything about that but we

know I mean it is I guess it's

encouraging to know that at the

architectural level it supports that

yeah more at least up there even like

thinking about it which isn't too

surprising but having a confirm is nice

now that's cool James wrote that this

puts the architecture on par with

cheering as far as DXR goes and makes it

superior to solutions that rely on

software or gpgpu acceleration which is

basically saying it's hardware

acceleration what we're better than

software accelerant yeah yeah

racing for big-budget movies like Pixar

films is done traditionally on CPUs

because they are a hundred percent

accurate unfortunately they are also

orders of magnitude slower so I mean

this is yet another one of these entries

in the Sega of Intel GPUs that I think

that we're all trying to get excited

about it we're like oh how great would

it be if we had another competitor and

that's in a space other than AMD and

NVIDIA but because no offense AMD isn't

doing that great right now in that space

it's wonderful that AMD is doing

fantastic and the CPU side of things hmm

but it would be kind of nice if like AMD

had to dual compete for a long time but

didn't have the money or the resources

to really do it right and Intel kind of

does so if it ends up being Intel that

has to do a compete and anybody's more

like yeah CPUs are great that's morally

better I think that would make more

sense the strong should take the burden

for the week and these been you know AMD

you've been trying so hard and we love

you tradition you know we love you I'm

really happy that they they've got a

winner right now their CPUs are doing

awesome

heck yeah really cool rise in 3000

generation coming soon good stuff we got

a navvy GPU Oh supposed to come out by

the end of 2019 not seven nanometers

confident well personally the the rumors

and leaks and stuff that I saw indicate

that it's going to be like a replacement

for Polaris instead of Vega so it's

gonna be like their lower power yeah

which kind of sucks because like I've

been like following this like all these

Navi e-news and stuff and I'm like oh

it's gonna be it's gonna take out like

cheering or pascal or whatever I'm like

nope it's gonna be low power stuff again

I'm not a yeah yeah that's really

exciting though I have a little bit of a

hard time getting properly actually

excited about like non like like things

that are definitely not for consumers

there's stuff where it's like it's

enterprise stuff but you can get your

hands on it it's great this is like data

center hardware so right ok that's cool

that's definitely cool you know like hey

technology and another company entering

in space and all that kind of stuff kind

of way but it's not super likely that a

bunch of people that I will interact

with will get their hands on it it's

less cool and then it's it's if it ends

up being a rumor that this is coming to

consumer stuff it'll also be hard for me

to personally get excited about until

I'm like yes it is actually definitely

coming well you're talking about ray

tracing on Intel GPUs yeah see this is

what we know dedicated hardware I mean

well we don't okay we don't know this

but the PlayStation 5 is supposed to

have ray tracing that's what the the

system architect said he's like it's

based on an AMD GPU and it's gonna

support ray tracing so I'm like if the

PS 5 does ray tracing

I actually Intel better freaking do it I

saw your tech linked thing with like

that sort of reaction is that was

perfect it was like the ray tracing

console masteries know

console master race pc plebs what have

you done tech news reporting through a

would you even call that through a

console lens no no but uh like like for

not an iteration of a specific type like

not the Xbox one X not the Xbox one s

but the original Xbox one

oh yeah it's like this is a much larger

step than we got from the S to the X or

from the one yeah I think when I first

started at NCIX I think like ps4

launching then yeah that was like so

that was 2013 yeah I know it was around

that line but I think wait longer like

that winter mm-hmm so like I think one

of the first netlink dailies we did was

about the Xbox one oh that's kind of

cool ya know it gets a little wild

because right when the consoles first

launched they usually actually like

really competitive right and everything

gets all has a challenger and then a

couple years ago playing it's like it's

like oh it's the ps4 get rekt oh the ps4

is way more yeah it's fun though I I

actually really enjoy new console

launches because even it's I mean it's

cool too it's a little bit harder to

judge consoles compared to each other so

that's kind of fun because you have to

do a lot of like more deeper dives cuz

not as easy to like swap and component

out and Testament there's alright but

then it's also fun to see the PC space

have really solid competition on terms

of price of performance right as the new

console just drops and you're like oh

this is gonna be a really interesting

console generation launch because I feel

like diffuser also really expensive for

you so is RAM gp's are expensive but

also the like gaming ecosystem and the

the environment is kind of like

streaming is becoming a big thing and

like the the Xbox one X and the ps4 Pro

are like some of the most like PC side

like and then rate racing coming out now

and as far as I know both of the new

consoles are going to have key

most support yeah they already do I

think yeah yeah it's not like why

wouldn't they still have that so yeah

they have ray-tracing strong graphics

very like PC like architecture keyboard

a mouse support right like prepackaged

yeah well progression computers you plug

into your TV right that only play games

well I think like I hopefully I've hope

every times we report on something that

Microsoft is doing like with the Xbox

ecosystem and PC gaming like they've

said so many times they're like we care

about PC gamers and we want it you know

we want we want you to use the Xbox Live

app on your PC that a discord or

whatever like come on guys we're adding

spotify support to the game bar on

Windows 10 like come on so like I keep

every time they make an announcement

like this I'm like oh do they actually

care like are they actually gonna try to

kind of unify these like Xbox and PC

gaming units ecosystems like unify as in

like you buy an xbox and it basically

acts as a PC like a prebuilt gaming PC

or something you know yeah yeah it would

be cool if you could do that all I want

all I wanna sell on your xbox that'll be

that'll be the day yeah all I wanted all

this time is halo on PC it's coming I

know it's coming heck yeah I'm excited

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almost I went all the way up Tarek so

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together and making this awesome

convention slash huge land party in

Vancouver at the Vancouver Convention

Center you should check it out website

is not linked here that's pretty sure if

you search LTX 2019 it'll come up it'll

come it's pretty solid

they're organizing panels for the main

stage so they're wondering what you guys

want to see discussed hit them up with

ideas on the forum or on Twitter at LTX

Expo and yes the ex and Expo are

redundant but don't worry about that I'm

upset as of this morning so there's

probably less now there was only 16 Bui

o TYC tickets left b ox eos if you want

to be Ock you better be on over to the

site and get a ticket buddy

like actually cuz they're they're gonna

be gone snazzy cue from snazzy labs

that's who

cool and where Nelson are also gonna be

at LTF and hardware connects Demetri and

Eber yeah I haven't seen those guys well

I've never met Clint Quinn but I sort of

know Dimitri Niebuhr that's exciting

have you met then you sort you said you

sort of know I sort of know it like I've

met them okay yeah yeah they're super

cool I mean I wouldn't say that we talk

all the time no I think Dimitri and I we

have each other on on Facebook that's

fine so there's like you know you guys

get invited to each other's like Super

Bowl parties no because he lives way the

heck yeah that'd be hard yeah yeah yeah

you could do telepresence just like

you're gonna watch the Super Bowl with

me he's like I have stuff to do hey

there it's like really late for you but

day in the computer you live in there

you don't get to sleep but yeah come to

LTX guys it's gonna be great July 27th

and 28th is that right that is correct

sweet I'm super excited my whole

floatplane team is coming in locally

heck yeah

we're doing the like meet up at that

time so we're gonna hang out after LTX

and everyone's gonna meet up for LT exes

can be great you know be really cool as

if we had an actual floodplain and I

don't know why I'm suggesting going

because I really you haven't seen this

Oh like the computer thing yeah oh yeah

yeah yeah that'll be fun but there's

also the Vancouver Convention Center can

technically receive flow plates so I was

sure I was running with this like idea

for the problem is it was it was just

there's no way the ROI on this would

ever work but I wanted vias and I to fly

into the convention on a float plane

riding on top of the wing speaking of

crazy ideas epic games buys oh here we

go

I was waiting tense okay so this I've

been wanting to talk about this to for a

while yeah because I have feelings me

too

I don't know what kind of arms over this

yeah you want to hit me up oh I'll hit

you up dude cuz I know all about the

streaming setup and this is how you do

it

boom boom done sorry Onix is joining

EPIK family oh that's so green they

didn't they didn't just buy a game they

didn't just buy out the rights to

platform a game yeah they bought a whole

studio about the whole thing so now I'll

temper the the initial like kind of

outrage like by the fact that apparently

the people who made psionics this is

what I read in a thing the people who

started psionics kind of already know a

lot of the people at Epic Games and they

like have these like connections so this

isn't like a big giant company coming in

and force brute-forcing you know the

company to do right although it might be

that I don't know but that's some

evidence to the contrary yeah so the big

problem for me about this was that the

initial announcement was kind of like

vague they're like we're buying psionics

rocket league is coming to the store and

in the meantime they said rocket League

will be supported on Steam and

thereafter Steam users can look forward

to continued support but there is

nothing like concrete that says like

everyone on Steam will get the same

updates there will be cross-platform

support like you can play multiplayer

still if you buy the game on Epic Games

Store will you still be able to play

cross-platform with steam users like

there is there is an editor's note at

the bottom of the article yeah it says

we want to clarify something for you

which like isn't this isn't good enough

that's what I'm saying super clear yeah

but it says we want to clarify for you

after today's news rocket league is and

remains available on Steam anyone who

owns our colleague through Steam can

still play it and can look forward to

continued support I know exactly what

you just said right for how long you

know yeah and like does I'm sure it does

but this would be the time to clarify a

lot better than it is like two line

thing at the bottom of an article does

support include like feature updates mmm

which it almost certainly does but they

should spell that out and I think this

is a problem nothing up to question this

is one of the big problems that a lot of

people you know caught up in this Steam

versus epic game store fight have with

epic game store is

they've kind of been like kind of

wishy-washy about people's concerns

regarding oh there's not many features

on epic game store and you know how long

are these timed exclusives are they

always exclusives are you gonna keep

doing this and like stealing games from

other stores are you gonna kind of stop

eventually

what's what's going on guys one thing

that I thought was interesting was that

Tim Sweeney the CEO of Epic Games

tweeted recently I don't have the tweet

here but he tweet back to us oh yeah he

tweeted recently that if if steam I

don't know if you saw this if Steam

committed to matching their developer

revenue share so valve takes a 30% cut I

believe it's something pretty beefy yeah

and the big news teams only takes a 12%

cut okay also those 18 but you're

probably right I'm pretty sure I'm

pretty sure it's 88% to the developers

well yeah yeah you're right right so if

they're like if steam matches our

revenue sharing model we will stop with

the exclusives we'll stop it immediately

and back off that's what Tim Sweeney

said on Twitter and I think I think I'd

say that because he knows that valve

isn't gonna do that cuz like to me I see

that and I'm kind of like oh all right

well then all valve has to do is just

kind of match their revenue share yeah

but I think valve has like too many

things going on now you I've been

talking a lot what are your feelings

well I'm so conflicted

yeah we're talking about this a little

bit I tried to not think about this

since I heard about it because I knew

we're gonna talk about on the show even

that thing that you just mentioned with

the revenue share thing like I've got

tons of feelings about that too because

steam is kind of this like old right

lethargic giant at this point like

everyone in the PC community as far as I

can tell

loves them but realistically they've

just kind of existed forever and like

yeah not done a ton for quite a while

and I think that's what's made an

obscene amount of money

yeah not done a lot with it about this

whole situation is that I feel like

valve has kind of grown a bit complacent

yeah like you know you have complete

your Ubisoft you know an Activision

Blizzard like making their own launchers

and Bethesda and but they're not like

really making an attempt to kind of come

at steam they're just like hey our games

are on our platform this Walter and a

lot of times our games are also on Steam

you know Ruby soft sometimes still

releases Ubisoft games on Steam yeah but

at the game store is coming out here and

being like we need to shake this up and

I feel like that's it's it's kind of

conflicting because on the one hand you

know you know that steam has kind of

become complacent yeah and that they

have all these really cool features and

they've been there since beginning you

know basically I'd like they do to be

clear they have way better features oh

yeah big game story for sure like it's a

better situation over there yeah it's

just they've been around forever and a

lot of these features are pretty old and

some of the newer features that come out

are not that substantial hmm right like

it it definitely feels like valve does

the minimum viable yeah thing that they

need to do in order to not make people

horribly mad at them yeah you know I

think this is really well illustrated by

the fact that we don't have half-life 3

yet yes and I'm upset because they

didn't need to because I we make you

know like 30 percent of what everybody

else does yeah yeah

so whatever just make tons of man we

don't need to let's not worry about it

they're like let's make another dota

card game dad some hats

I want to get over it I want to get over

half-life 3 but here's the thing

oh this leads well into another thing

did you see that Valve index yeah so

like because they have a flagship VR

game apparently coming on yeah with the

index yeah but what does that mean it's

the worst because it might be having a

PR would be really cool but it won't be

with then and if it was half-life VR is

it actually Meany good I'm upset look it

might be good I'm so upset I don't know

I didn't get an index

know how that makes me feel what do you

mean maybe order it well it sold out

like him immediately you're the VR guy

yeah but it was just gone

yeah I think in 15 or 20 minutes it's

yeah yeah I was busy

I mean I'll probably you know probably

good eventually but like yeah well

probably I mean I suspect last media

group will get one hopefully that out

hopefully but anyways I like I famous so

for us we cross-platform thing with

psionics and raleigh will be fine my

reasons for that is because they support

such a wide variety of cross-platform

already they support cross-platform

friends lists as far as I know there was

a fairly a personality yes that's what I

meant

there's a fairly recent update that

stepped away from the steam friends list

which is maybe not that surprising

anymore I was actually pretty happy they

did because maybe they did it because I

kind of think they did because I think

they're prepping themselves for that

and they I think they should have leaned

on that more in their article thing if

you've been like yeah steams gonna be

supported we separated the friends list

from the steam layer so you could work

on the the epic game store but if you

notice you're on Steam and it's working

so we made sure that's fine like that

probably would have been a good idea

yeah but I think it'll keep working for

everyone I love to watch I only play the

ice hockey mode because I'm weird but I

love to watch yeah like various rocket

League creators sunless condomless cuz

amazing great I always also watch like

left Amir and a bunch of other guy I

don't know those guys yeah he's more on

the competitive side so most cons just a

beautiful human being but in a smooth

voice he does

sultry rocket League essays if you could

imagine that it's possible but anyways I

love watching all that kind of stuff

even though I don't play with the soccer

ball I just play ice hockey had a fairly

high level I'm by myself that's but this

this does bother me because I've been

playing ragga League relatively

seriously for years and it's scary when

something you care about a lot is

getting touched what I'm hoping for

is steam side of things I mean it's

gonna leave the steam store but outside

of that I hope it just doesn't get

affected and I hope that it going to the

epic game store and it being in the news

because of this by a out and all that

kind of stuff is going to boom its

popularity right because while there's

definitely still a strong community

around rocket League it could use a

little bit its bit it's been out for

quite a while that's one of those usual

boosts that's one of the strong points

of this acquisition one of the few rays

of see this is the thing it looks so

depressing until you kind of look into

and you're kind of probably be fine yeah

like Epic Games has this like obscene

amount of money yeah somehow I guess

they just have buckets of money to pay

off people to be exclusives but that

money is going to help psyonix kind of

like inject some more life into their

eSports yeah ambitions which is good

that would that would be fantastic I

love rocket League eSports it's one of

my favorite things to watch eSports wise

I used to love watching Starcraft oh

yeah and I'd stay up till weird hours in

the morning and watch GSL and watched

live Korean games and I was super into

it right now Stark I've kind of died a

little bit and then I got I'm kind of

into rocket League I mostly like

watching the YouTube videos but I have

enjoyed watching squishy muffins and all

those crazy guys but I don't know I hope

it goes well I I wish them the best even

though it makes me a little salty I'm

not happy that it's leaving steam

because if one of my friends wants to

get into it it's usually the path of

least resistance we're going to get them

into it on steam if I have to start

getting people to install the epic games

launcher that is going to be a problem I

will say I will say that like because

this particular instance isn't as like

to me it doesn't seem as horrible of a

proposition because rocket League

psionic has already psionics has already

done the work to Ross working so like if

they're like oh I want to buy rocket

League and then you know they just go to

the rocket League site and the way they

do that is by downloading launchers oh

yeah yeah and then they just come in and

they tell you their username and then

you add them within the game if that

still works and all the cross-platform

stuff works fine it's like

not the were sweet but like epic games

need to make needs to make sure that

they do this for every game that they do

this too

you know and that's that that's the the

fear I think bit of a kicker that

another thing that I want to consider

here is raagh League again made quite a

while ago still doing pretty good but

and I mean their season passes hopefully

those are doing well I play the game so

freaking much that I buy the season pass

because I'm like my dollar per hour in

this game right now is absurd Rhys can

take a little bit more money yeah there

you go that's fair I'll vote with my

wallet in the direction that most people

don't I think and try to support the

thing because I believe in the thing but

I can't imagine they're doing amazing

Sonics yeah yeah

so the ingest of money is going to

hopefully increase long-term support for

the game which we've kind of discussed

already but it's also probably just good

for the creator's well I don't I haven't

heard of psionics working on necessarily

anything else I could be ignorant here

but I think this is kind of all they got

this is their this is a big once trick

pony yeah so I mean trick rocket car if

it sometimes if you want the thing to

survive you gotta do some stuff that's a

little uncomfortable so I don't know

ain't that the truth

yeah and I you don't love about rocket

League too is that it seems like it it

doesn't have like mechanics it has

mechanics that you don't see in any

other game like it's not like it's a

MOBA you know where there are 18

different MOBAs that all are the same

yeah rocket League is rocket League

there is no other game like it so if we

can if that like ecosystem can survive

yeah through an influx of cash from evil

Tim Sweeney you know that's Darth Vader

I got a lot of money bud and it'll feed

your family for a year which and your

family starving would you take it but I

love it I yeah I don't know very very

interesting

thing yeah do we ever do have we talking

about different things in our

I think we're it's sort of done here's a

here's one last question all right

if half-life 3 yeah is a videogames buys

half-life oh my gosh can you imagine

let's just draw so much money that

whatever such an interesting like

alternate universes like proposition

like they buy the rights to half-life we

get half-life 3 the thing that steam and

valve fans have been wanting for years

and and they hate they've they've got

worked up to hate Epic Games they're

like oh they're the worst thought we

hate them so much and they're like but

we have half-life 3

yeah it's not even it's not even that

they like bought the rights to it they

just funded the entire project yeah yeah

and it mean and it's good yeah yeah what

would you do if you interesting to see

how you do yeah

sorry what was your question up

something with the index you had such a

you changed it and that was brilliant

would you would you buy it if the epic

Oh games store cat half-life 3 isn't

exclusive I think you have to yeah

like depending obviously I don't think

every human on the planet has to buy it

but like I think I would have to it's

the amount of pure curiosity oh you know

I don't think it's gonna be like I want

I really want it to be but I don't think

it's gonna be half-life 3

I don't think it I don't think that'll

be an IKE ship vr game that they're

gonna release is half way 3 or even in a

half-life universe I think that's gonna

be really cool if it's a portal thing

probably or like a left 4 dead 3 thing

or whatever left 4 dead VR but I think

that the honestly I think that for valve

the half-life ship has sailed

I don't think we'll ever get it and but

this is so annoying cuz every time this

news comes up I'm like oh maybe please

and you know they like that and hate it

at the same time yes I know Gabe Newell

is like kind of openly said like this is

but knowing but at the same time gabe

newell has said half-life is annoying

well like the community constantly be

like hey give us a flick through we want

that thing that you said you were

working on and we're definitely going to

give us and then you gave up on yeah

shut up about that I'm rolling all my my

love Marni Marni more money like rolling

on the floor at his house mr. Gabe

Newell I'm the God of peace please me oh

my goodness I think with that the show

is probably over

that's it yeah yeah how can you top that

I don't I don't understand yeah

sorry I got carried away no those this

isn't tech linked ok guys you have to

have a little bit freeform is there an

outro that yeah you run the intro gets

the same thing you just run the intro

it's super creative yeah I mean

technique of an intro or outro so I

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