ub-Zero Laptop Cooling?! - Feat. Gamers Nexus #Helpful Post

so it's time for another crazy cooling

experiment with Linus and alex this time

our victim is going to be the Delian

where area 51 M so this is notable for

having a desktop 9900 k-8 core processor

in it that runs at a hundred degrees at

all times so we are going to be trying

to tame the beast but there's going to

be a couple of key differences today DIF

number one they kicked us out of the

boardroom so we're in the kitchen and

DIF number two we have hello Stephen

Burke from gamers Nexus so let's see

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this is a lot of gear why is there a

calculator he never goes anywhere

without his ti-84 a serious phone yeah

okay so we're not gonna know what or how

we can mount an alternative cooling

solution to this thing until we've

opened it up and figured out exactly

what kind of mounting holes Gelles using

we require mounting holes that are quite

close to the socket we don't know if

we're gonna find that inside yeah we're

not going to I'm trying to put some

suspense in the video Alice I know that

so is this CPU and GPU are they exposed

on this side yeah they are okay does

your plan to leave the motherboard

mounted in the laptop yeah the other

option is you sit up for curiously on

its side and we just look at the screen

like this while the coolers hooked up

like that yeah do you know the story of

my chiller I bought this for the sole

purpose of hooking it up to my daily

driver East 6600 and you can tell that

it's very did it ever hurt anybody

17 year old me engineered it has not

hurt anyone yet but the possibility of

being hurt is definitely real so I would

ask that while it's plugged in you

refrain from touching this is this a

ground terminal any of the bare leads

here yeah yeah that's just hanging there

okay you don't need ground we don't see

ourselves as being grounded type people

okay neither of us wants to use our

liability insurance yes what I think is

going to have to happen is we're going

to take these

really really cheap blocks okay and the

machine a new piece of acrylic that'll

fit the mounting holes does this this

doesn't have any micro fins does it no

it's just a flower oh no it's like four

dollars on Aliexpress what do you want

man maybe six dollars on Aliexpress I

don't know I fix it's gonna hate this I

couldn't find the Marlin so this is

their old precision perspective you go

I'm assuming there's no IHS on the cpu

right so it's literally a desktop okay I

know right is it socketed yeah Oh

interesting I didn't know that so it's

it's 210 millimeter heat pipes on the

CPU and then GPU is here yep what is the

GPU full-blown you saw the CPU is 100

degrees was that only what the overclock

and I'm assuming okay one of the things

that we're probably gonna have to figure

out because having a look at the cooling

solution here

Stephan identified that there's actually

a fair amount of erm cooling going on so

they're not just cooling with CPU but

this aluminum plate right here is

actually making thermal pad contact with

the MOSFETs and the inductors all of

this interesting so Alex this is gonna

be a little bit tricky we're gonna have

to get air flow onto this heatsink

somehow even if we do just go with the

stock solution is that this back in here

is the GPU gonna be under a chiller also

yeah such other like what is like zero

degrees it's whatever you want it to be

maybe okay so it's been a couple hours

ah where are you at

we're good to cut things so it looks

kind of stupid this is the GPU one it

does look kind of stupid it's it looks

like you screwed it out and because we

just moved our router yeah

I don't know how accurate is at the

moment and until we test that I'm just

making all the holes way bigger so

hopefully it fits anyway you have the

o-ring groove and everything sort of oh

right there's no groove yes no groove

just flat so we're just gonna reuse the

stock o-ring that came with our Chinese

block yeah how does this compare to how

organized and professional you thought

we were Steve that way

I deserve that hey I get to be the

coolest-looking 1:200 know what up there

you go so that's our cpu mount right yep

cool sorry Steve it's not as bad if

you're making the noise which is why I

always volunteer for tap duty that's

right this one's a bit off but I think

we can just drill through it and it'll

be fine the PCB or the filler top isn't

it gonna be beautiful when you have the

mill and it'll actually just be like

warm how much was it again

5k oh god no I don't know good enough

heck yeah woah it's not perfect but

that's not what we're going for the

label on this bin really does not bode

well for the water cooling process sorry

Steve I promise we'll get to the part

where we really need your expertise the

overclocking very soon just got a you

know fabricate some crap to up like a

vise to secure the block no I had that

would you like to use it no no I'm good

thank you

just making sure I'm gonna go back to

writing my scripts for your next video

yeah wow I wonder if this is how like ek

waterboxx makes theirs yeah hey

definitely do use the drill by hand

right through the top oh that was gnarly

why is Alex not wearing gloves bed- has

to protect his little baby hands that's

why we're getting close then aren't we

yeah hell yeah actually we have a lot of

crap on the floor

Steve around the thing there there's a

Dyson I know that you're really good at

vacuuming I saw you did a review once of

a vacuum cleaner is the money still in

it it is vacuum

it's not sucking up the dirt we have to

cut a new one Alex that's not gonna hold

well alex is recutting our GPU acrylic

top we're gonna mount our CPU block as

best we can so in order to make our

lives a little one of those are you

throwing paste is gonna be better

thermally those are just good for their

endurance because you can use it a long

time actually lying down the middle you

know it just for you

wait what this is the sky like X

technique sir I've read that smiley

faces improve the thermals a bit okay

how much are you putting on here just

gonna squish out exactly who's gonna

clean it no I won't be here - one of my

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whole face does he spend more work it

back I'm all about the legal technique

so what do you think looks really ghetto

but like any good way so our expectation

right now turn on if this will turn on

yes okay I want to throw that heat sink

back on there yep three two one wait oh

I saw flash on the keyboard

oh no it's powering up battery that

sounds like it wants a battery man okay

sure let's try putting a battery in okay

you can screw that down no it's fine

like at least one you gotta hold the

heat sink do you want to hold the heat

sink Alex oh it's the heat sink no one's

holding it okay are weary I'm er weary

assembling it at this point like no saw

flicker yeah fans do like one rotation

and stop so basically here's what

happened the problem was that the memory

slots are actually labeled one two three

four which is pretty difficult what's a

little less typical is that it wasn't

booting with memory in slots one and I

guess it would have been four apparently

the system is firing up so all that's

left now is to retighten up our CPU

block mount our GPU block and then

finally one day late

leverage the talents of Stephen Burke

here and might actually do something now

how about we start with just a little

below ambient stay about the dew point

okay yeah I'm gonna lift this up and we

are going to put this in there okay you

can see this well-crafted cutout right

here yep

that's for this right here okay all

right perfect thank you don't cut

yourself that's some very rusty metal

okay

tubing here's some scrap tubing we had

lying around with a fitting in it's not

a race Alex well if it is I'm winning

it seemed fun

well let's maybe give it one minute I

mean remember these our line is tapped

holes also one of the first fittings

that you put on just didn't have an

o-ring really so are you sure it didn't

come off or something no I really did

check it's just drawing the cables into

the fans so they're shredding the cables

leaving which is creating strands of

cable sleeving that get into them more

easily

wait what what's going on it's good

solution there Wow only if it works

we've got our water cooling working our

temperatures are great at idle we're

what like 15 degrees 15 and 13 on the

GPU and we're at 6 Celsius on the

chiller wonderful except for one small

thing no matter what we do in the

extreme tuning utility I'm using air

quotes here it's not applying we're

getting lower scores in the CPU testing

3dmark so we've got core ratio overrides

for one to eight cores do you want to

just set those in here no we'll do that

next to you if we can okay alright so

after painstakingly applying they're in

BIOS overclocking settings we are

supposedly at 5.2 gigahertz on any load

up to six cores and then four point nine

four seven and eight core loads but

we're pretty sure that this is nonsense

so ideally with overclocking the biggest

limits you run into are thermal and

potentially voltage which triggers

thermal and then power limits and so

we're running out of power which I know

for two reasons one is because hardware

in 464 tells us we're hitting power

limits and the other one is because you

can see the cores throttling but we're

well under TJ Matt the issue then is

that when I try to increase the power

limits here and it doesn't look like

they've really changed from that BIOS

change when I increase the power limits

next to you it just says you can't do

that or it increases them in such a

small way that doesn't do anything

useful for us

alright well see what happens yeah I was

gonna tell you this clearly isn't

working because we're at 246 Lots we got

higher than that before alien where's P

overclock here is actually doing nothing

so they're pretty overclocks actually it

is 52 on six cores but it's

she doing 4.8 on all course so let's

just manually tell it to do 49 X and

then I want to change these but I don't

think it does anything based on what

we've seen so let's just run this as a

baseline and see what the cores are

doing so amusingly enough turning our

clock speed target down to 4.9 but on

all course actually yields slightly

higher power consumption and and a

higher score a higher score yeah and so

the reason this happens for anyone

doesn't know is because when you you set

the the configuration to aggressive but

your power throttling it's throttling

harder to try and account for that so

you might actually drop your multiplier

from something like 49 X down to all the

way into the 20s or 30s right I'm gonna

increase the cash ratio now a general

rule of thumb is I like to keep cash

ratio like maybe 4 ticks below all core

but we're gonna push for maybe 47 acts

and see if that holds and this is also

known it's a reboot required annex to

you on this laptop it seems like reboot

required basically means it's not gonna

work

no wonder you prefer working with

desktops at least they're designed for

this sort of thing I think this is

designed for it I think so too

I think Alienware had this in mind so

after beating our heads against the wall

turns out there's a new bios for this

laptop

apparently enhanced the performance of

the system perfect Thank You BIOS

engineers hopefully this gives us a bit

more control oh hold on a second no this

is good power limit one is 210 watts now

oh yeah that's the change okay I have

some hope now cuz if we can get another

60 watts that should be substantial yeah

I doubt you're gonna be able to actually

change it it's a two hundred and thirty

or whatever yeah I don't think that's

happening then I guess I should know it

as well I did drop the chiller a bit

more so I forget where we're at about 10

degrees Fahrenheit I don't really use

Fahrenheit despite being American so I'm

not sure what that is but our load temps

were around 50 to 55 degrees across all

course we're below zero Celsius is what

really matters so so we're expecting a

better result this time because we got

up to almost 250 watts here okay good

for the full system CPU temps are also a

touch higher in the mid-60s so it's

definitely working harder so we're

changing power management

for the GPO to performance instead of

optimal power we're changing texture

filtering from quality to

high-performance kingpin OGS all those

real overclockers do this it's

permissible so we've got that done it is

actually at what was it 290 yeah okay

well that's very promise this is better

than the first BIOS for sure yeah and we

haven't touched voltage yet so if we

have 2 over volt we might be able to

it's just gonna get power limitation

issue you know what right when you said

that it peaked at 300 so 300 is gonna be

our new maximum power it looks like used

to throttle stop to bypass these

throttling schemes is at your own risk

and can result in permanent damage to

your power adapter or computer perfect

I'm applying the setting it's saying

reboot required I hit this card I apply

the setting and then it worries and if I

reboot it doesn't work it gives an error

message it's helped with 295 it's

holding up there longer our frequency

was actually like 50 the whole time and

I technically applied 51 but I don't

know if it actually worked

10 6 79 so this is the error that we get

every time we try to actually listen to

the software and reboot and then it just

doesn't apply anything that was changed

yep in fact it reset everything else so

after playing around with all the dials

and XTU it turns out that the only thing

that really changed with the BIOS update

was that the default power limit is

higher the good news though is now we

can start pushing our GPU which we

should be able to get a pretty good

overclock on right yes so GPUs and video

GPS especially are really temperature

dependent and for about every maybe 5

degrees Celsius you drop you'll keep

getting frequency increases without even

doing any work we do not have a lot of

time we're starting to sweat yes air

will create condensation so I would

limit their access to components worst

case scenario Alienware gets back a

laptop that doesn't work so 11 to 36 we

are up on graphic significantly

some success so we are up from 10,000

201 211 236 about 10% and 7 degrees on

the GPS after running so then let's get

this back towards the BRM perfect how

how does that it's getting warm yeah

memory was getting a little bit toasty

too and our memory has shoved under

there I think so that's I would like to

get a fan kind of this direction oh we

need to do we need yeah slate the CPU a

bit well that's the best I think we can

really hope for right now I'm gonna put

some more towel around the fittings up

here at the top yeah if the compressor

still running

are we still bringing this down yeah you

know I'm good

I think we're gonna call this the limit

cuz we're starting to sweat more than

I'm really comfortable with we're gonna

start getting drops running down the

tubes onto the motherboard here pretty

soon so you crank did you crank it all

the way so this is basically it this is

what we're going for plus 180 on the GPU

core plus 1120 on the GPU memory and 5

gigahertz on the CPU now to be clear

there are other things that Steve could

do if you had more time tuning the clock

speeds for individual cores because I

mean 3dmark especially when you're

running a GPU test actually doesn't hit

all the course so you could avoid a

power limit by not running all of them

at 5 gigahertz so we have well over a

10% improvement yeah not not bad what

are our GPU and CPU temps look like I

see is that 9 on the GPU I see over here

CPU so max was about 74 degrees Celsius

so and then the GPU we don't have it

logged actually we do the max was 28

degrees degrees really not bad that's

awesome so anyway I think we can be

happy with this knowing that within the

the time and the software parameters we

unfortunately have we're at eleven

thousand four oh six versus ten thousand

hundred eighty-six so that is way

outside of margin of error we've

actually improved it yep the graphics

cores eleven thousand six fourteen

that's the CP it wasn't really that

great it was ten 360 so we it could

improve there there's a throttling issue

so settings GPU core offset was 160

megahertz memory we did 1120 megahertz I

tried 1180 I tried 1220 both of

is really heavily artifact sedan crashed

maximum performance mode in the power

management for nvidia drivers we changed

texture filtration the high performance

from quality which is allowed so that's

it massive thank you to Alienware for

permitting us to do this to their

mission they didn't permit any of this

but thanks to Steve for coming out and

having some fun with us there was a lot

of fun time laptop extreme overclocking

yes very fun and very impressed with

Alex's CNC turnaround on the blocks

extremely quick water cooling solution

for a you know laptop that's it's gonna

be a new business opportunity for us I

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